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Peter Parker ([personal profile] spideyguy) wrote in [community profile] newyorknative2025-06-26 11:47 am

Yes I want you, and that’s the way it is

[ aka wicked ii: lost in new york ]

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[personal profile] winkieprince 2025-11-25 10:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Fiyero leans back as Peter does, his eyes following Peter's hands as he starts undressing. He really is so much sexier than he's aware of. It's a great show, and while Fiyero obviously wants to touch, he's definitely enjoying the brief strip tease, his eyes dark with hunger.

It only gets better when Peter starts touching him, Fiyero spreading his legs as much as he can, his ankles pulling at the rope. He gives a soft noise as Peter pulls at his waistband, Fiyero's ass sliding down the seat a little. Though it probably has just as much to do with Fiyero trying to chase Peter's touch as it has with Peter's force. His hips are one part of him that's still sort of free to move - just not easily, as it requires him holding onto the chair with his tied hands and arms.

Even if nothing has changed about Peter's premise... The attention really makes a big difference. Perhaps Fiyero simply doesn't want to feel like he's ignored, locked away to not be in the way or be a nuisance. The teasing of a reward... yeah, it makes it a lot easier to bear. Even if it seems terribly far away.

Except then Peter is kissing him with such intensity, Fiyero's gasp is cut off as Peter's lips claim his. He gives a needy whimper and a moan, eager to show Peter his appreciation for the attention, returning the kiss as passionately as he's capable of, leaving himself open to Peter.

He feels dizzy when Peter pulls back. Well, with the lack of breath and all the blood making his jeans bulge, it's probably only natural. His heart is thrumming, his skin tingling, craving more of Peter's touch. His wrists ache, and he has to intentionally relax to stop pulling at them subconsciously.

Peter has a pretty impressive willpower when he wants to, Fiyero will give him that. Fiyero does give a little whine, biting his lip. But he nods, still catching his breath, face flush. "Alright.." he answers softly, feeling pleasantly hazy. The frustration is there, yes... But it feels good.
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[personal profile] winkieprince 2025-11-25 11:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Fiyero closes his eyes as he presses against Peter's hand, opening them with a soft gasp as Peter tugs his head back gently.

It's the affection that makes the difference. Fiyero was scared of having to behave, of sitting there feeling like it's some test. Even if the lack of reward wouldn't be bad, and the promised 'punishment' of distraction would probably be fun in and of itself... it would still feel bad to feel like he had failed. (And maybe someday he'll be able to deal with failing because he's still getting unconditional affection, but it's not today.) Peter took just enough to properly get him hot and bothered that he doesn't feel ignored - just toyed with.

As Peter turns away to get to work, Fiyero pushes himself up again, adjusting his position for comfort so his arms aren't digging into the back of the chair anymore. He's trying to resign himself to patiently waiting while Peter neglects him - but then Peter looks back and gives him that warm, flirty smile, and Fiyero's heart just swells.

Peter looks beautiful, and at least Fiyero gets to watch as he works. His hands fiddle with the ropes, not to escape, but simply to feel them. His hand wraps around the ones that are tugging his wrists down, and it makes his groin ache with need, and he has a moment of being absolutely astounded that Peter is doing this for him. That Peter is currently reconstructing his bed just so they can have more fun sex.

Despite Peter focused completely in something else, Fiyero feels... very taken care of.

There's something warm and wet rolling down his cheek, and Fiyero feels embarrassed as he realises it's a tear. He twists his head to wipe it off against his shoulder as best he can manage. He feels silly, not wanting to call attention to it. This is supposed to be sexy. Fiyero's already worried him with crying before, he doesn't want to make it habit. It's just... a lot of emotions. He can't help it if something spills over. He really should be able to, but...

He's perfectly quiet, and if there were any tiny sniffles, they were covered by the music and the tools. By the time Peter looks over, at least Fiyero's eyes aren't quite as watery, just shining a little, though the embarrassed flush returns at the attention. At least if there were any tears he couldn't wipe away, they've dried by now.

He wants desperately to ask for a kiss or a hug when Peter asks, but he bites it back, literally biting his lip. Don't ask for things, be good, be patient, not distracting. "Enjoying the show," he answers, then clears his throat, his voice a little more raspy than he expected. The smile he gives Peter in return is simultaneously genuine, and trying to hide anything that might worry him. This isn't safeword type worry. This is just... Fiyero doesn't really know. It's a lot of different things, all at the same time - including intense affection and arousal.
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[personal profile] winkieprince 2025-11-26 01:00 am (UTC)(link)
Fiyero doesn't much like analysing his own emotions, no. There's a lot of buried pain and need there, and even if he wanted to try to face that, well. There's a lot more urgent pain that needs to be dealt with or prevented. Peter can argue all he wants that Fiyero is intelligent, but how much of that is emotional intelligence, it doesn't fully extend to himself as much as it probably should.

He thinks he's being very well behaved, though. Fidgeting is inevitable when stuck like this, and honestly, it's partly just helping ground himself in the moment. If he was being distracting, he would at minimum be whining a little. Or chattering. Not even asking for any attention.

But he gets it anyway.

Fiyero gasps softly as Peter tips the chair, instinctively jerking forward to stop himself from falling, hands and ankles pulling at the rope. But obviously Peter has a secure grip on him, so Fiyero carefully leans back, looking up at Peter with big, shining blue eyes.

Peter really needn't have asked Fiyero if he trusts him. It's evident in everything he does. Giving himself over to Peter's mercy in so many ways, letting himself be swept away, figuratively and literally. There's a tiny hint of fear and unbalance, tied up and handled like this, but in a way that only heightens the excitement. Fiyero lets out a soft noise as Peter leans in to kiss his neck, his eyes fluttering closed.

The kiss is perfect, soothing his need for reassurance that he was too scared to ask for. Fiyero's chasing it needily, moaning quietly into Peter's mouth, and he feels the furthest from ignored. The verbal reassurance it comes with is good too. It makes it explicitly clear that Peter just wants to do this, wants him.

Fiyero breaks the kiss with a soft yelp as Peter picks up the chair, making his stomach swoop again - and the surprise sets off nervous giggles, feeling a little delirious. And at the same time, he feels the desire burns inside him, at Peter literally playing with him like this. Yes, he feels helpless, but right now it feels like a very good place to be. It'll switch in a moment, he knows, when he needs to be patient again. But for now he just chases Peter's affection and attention, smiling and looking both dazed and excited.
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[personal profile] winkieprince 2025-11-26 02:09 am (UTC)(link)
Peter is being unbearably sexy, but he's also being very playful. Not remotely a strict teacher, not when he doesn't need to be. Listening to Peter's laugh makes him feel light and airy inside, like it makes complete sense Peter can just pick him up like that.

Fiyero's still smiling and catching his breath as Peter touches his chin, and there's definitely no strength necessary to tip it up. Fiyero's lips purse, kissing Peter's thumb, but also entirely ready to wrap around it if Peter had pushed it further. There's no argument this time as Peter promises to finish soon.

Fiyero closes his eyes as Peter kisses the top of his head. He actually misses Peter adjusting himself, still eyes closed, a faint smile still on his face as Peter looks over.

It's easier this time, to simply settle in the moment. Not necessarily sitting patiently, as he finds himself squirming a couple times, but this time it's the anticipation. Not any other worries or the wrong kind of overwhelm. He alternates between watching Peter, and simply sitting there with his eyes closed, just feeling the sensation of the ropes, the position he's locked in. This time he is doing what Peter had suggested - imagining what the reward might be.

He's not actually sure. He knows it's going to be fun. There's definitely going to be at least one orgasm in there. Will he keep him in the chair, or do something else? Fiyero really doesn't know, and that uncertainty is exciting too.

One drawback he's realising is that he can't really see the rope himself. Perhaps it's vanity, wanting to see it across his skin, or maybe he just wants both the sensation and the visual. (Perhaps he'll have to do some posing for Peter at some point.) But on the other hand, he gets some really wonderful views of Peter.

"You look so good," he says impulsively, the thought just slipping out. He presses his lips together, as if he's aware that's probably easily slipping into distraction. But he's not whining, not demanding attention! There's simply a limit to how much he can keep his thoughts in. At least now, after Peter's bursts of affection, he's less worried about having fucked up.
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[personal profile] winkieprince 2025-11-26 03:10 am (UTC)(link)
Peter's smile reassures whatever residual worry there might have been, so warm, and amused rather than disapproving. Peter proves the observation immediately too, the way he seems to pose, even before he starts touching himself.

The way he studies Fiyero definitely brings a little pink to his cheeks, but Fiyero - who is used to encouraging and soaking in people's attention - can't help but spread his legs a little to give Peter more to look at. He nods definitely to reiterate that he absolutely means if, and Peter returns the favour by stroking his stomach in a way that makes Fiyero's mouth water.

Fiyero is obviously eager to shower Peter in compliments, by the way they burst out of him, but sometimes he doesn't even need to. His undivided attention says enough as Peter slowly strips. Fiyero's never quite felt this way about someone's appearance before. Peter was always beautiful, but the more they get to know each ofher, the sexier Peter seems to get to Fiyero. And while Fiyero doesn't need to say it, Peter's compliment is immediately confirmed by the growing erection in his underwear. The feelings are mutual, that much is obvious.

It's such a relief, when Peter finally touches him again. Not even from a sexual standpoint - just a longing to be close, to feel his skin. And then it's very sexual, Fiyero letting out a drawn-out sigh that ends in a moan of appreciation.

If Peter kept it going long enough, he might manage to come. There's been a fair amount of arousal built up already, even without being touched there. Still, the jeans muffle it enough that they're in no immediate danger, even if the moans might indicate otherwise.

His hips twitch and jerk a little, but he really is trying to relax. He could press up firmer, if he wanted, his hips free enough to move - but what he really wants is for Peter to give it to him. "Thank you.." he breathes, pressing his face against Peter's. Not kissing, simply being close. Closing his eyes and enjoying whatever Peter wants to give him.
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[personal profile] winkieprince 2025-11-26 04:07 am (UTC)(link)
Fiyero is starting to warm up a little to the idea of earning rewards through good behaviour. Depends on the challenge, of course. Though teasing and frustrating, and surprisingly a little emotional, this hasn't been unpleasant. It easily could have - the kind of unpleasant he would hate, being neglected.

Enduring pain or exhaustion or overstimulation, that he thinks he could actually handle easier. Challenges that might be physically taxing, but not emotionally or mentally. Or at least not in the same way. Unless it was done with cruelty, he doesn't think it would upset him. After all, he's already endured quite a bit, the other times Peter has held him down or tied him up.

He'll happily endure this teasing as well. Peter is showering him in attention - and also using him for his own pleasure, something which delights Fiyero. Rather than thrust his hips, Fiyero arches his back on the next roll of Peter's groin against him. Fiyero's abs taut, he presses his stomach against Peter's dick through his underwear. He doesn't have a lot of opportunity to return the attention - but he's sure going to try to when he can.

Fiyero lets out a soft, needy noise at Peter's words. Replies come to mind - jokingly questioning whether he'd be tied up then to, or saying he'd want to be holding Peter. Dirtier words, describing what it would be like, Peter impaling himself on Fiyero's dick. Saying how much he wants that.

None of the words seem to come out. He is imagining it though, like Peter wanted him to. Just like this, Fiyero helplessly tied to the chair, or the bed, with Peter relentlessly riding his cock. Driving Fiyero absolutely insane. An intoxicating vision of Peter refusing to stop until he's brought himself to orgasm. Or -- fuck, the opposite. Peter still riding him, except Peter's hands are tied behind his back with webbing, and he's not allowed to stop, while Fiyero jerks Peter off. There's so many delicious ideas, and just the thought of it coupled with the way Peter is grinding against him makes Fiyero whimper softly into his neck.
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[personal profile] winkieprince 2025-11-26 02:52 pm (UTC)(link)
It's both easier and more difficult to sit there and be made to wait, after being worked up like this. The sexual frustration is building, but he feels the furthest thing from neglected. This might be a very effective way to play when Fiyero wants to have sex but Peter has stuff he needs to do, really. Of course, it would take a lot shorter without the breaks, but where's the fun?

At least Fiyero gets to give Peter some pleasure in return too. Pressing against him, mouthing at his neck, breath hot. Getting some of Peter's noises in return, that filthy babbling, it only makes Fiyero harder. And Peter praises him for it too, which means he's absolutely going to keep trying.

His erection feels intense trapped in his jeans, which are unbearably tight right now. As Peter bounces, he finds himself more and more longing for proper friction, the slick slide of skin against skin. He imagines is cock enveloped by Peter warm ass, and he groans into Peter's neck.

It takes him a little while to realise that Peter isn't going to speed up again, once he's slowing more and more down. A needy little moan escapes him, his hips twitching up, trying to squirm against him. It doesn't make nearly enough difference - but it doesn't stop him from returning the kiss, a bit more intense than Peter makes it.

Then Peter reveals what the next reward will be, and Fiyero lets out a soft laugh, a deep chuckle, warm in his chest with a hint of a growl. Full of enjoyable frustration and anticipation and arousal. Oz, he doesn't want Peter to pull away - but he lets it happen without complaint. Being a good boy... at least this time.

He looks more than a little ravaged. Face flush with half-lidded eyes, hair a complete mess, nipples hard, and the bulge in his jeans is probably as big as it can get. He shifts in his seat, trying to adjust to the idea of just sitting there waiting for however more many minutes. Relaxing back into a position where he's not pulling at the ropes anymore.

After a moment, he frowns a little, taking stock as he twists his wrists inside the ropes. His hands are a little bit tingly and cold. Not bad, and he bites his lip, intending to ignore it, to endure. Don't ask for things, stay quiet, be patient.

Before he remembers that's the sort of thing he's supposed to bring up. Not the intended kind of torture. He hadn't even noticed until Peter left him to stew, so it's not too bad, but he's been sitting here a while now. Between the alternating attention and breaks - Fiyero has even less concept of how much time has passed, but it must have been a bit.

"Peter?" he speaks up softly, but he has the good sense to do it while Peter's not holding a power tool or right in the middle of doing something. "Could you.. My hands are a bit numb," he says sheepishly. It's clear from his tone at least that this is not needy impatient whining.
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[personal profile] winkieprince 2025-11-26 04:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Fiyero definitely wasn't expecting that much urgency. Concern, yes, of course. Peter worries too easily. The sudden shift of the chair does catch him by surprise though, and he can feel Peter's worry. It's maybe for the best that Fiyero is too horny to feel guilty about speaking up. (As if it wouldn't have been way worse if he had waited until it was more of a problem.) As far as he's concerned, the main downside is not being tied up anymore. But he's sure Peter can think of alternatives.

It is a relief when the ropes slack, even so. It hadn't been bothering him, but now it's gone, he can feel the difference. It still doesn't seem too bad to him, but he realises quickly that Peter seems to disagree.

His concern sends another wave of emotion through Fiyero. Not guilt. Just a deep fondness, gratitude, sympathy, mirrored concern. He lets Peter look after him, the warm touch comforting. Fiyero's hands are a little cold from the limited blood flow, but they're not discoloured, and they're not totally numb. Just a slight tingle as Peter massages them, not the stabbing needles of an asleep limb waking up.

Yet Peter is still freaking out, and it kind of breaks Fiyero's heart. "Hey, hey," he says sweetly, soft but speaking up over Peter's fretful cursing, reaching up with his free hand to cup Peter's cheek. "I'm okay, darling," he says, tilting Peter's head up to get him to look at Fiyero.

The look on Peter's face, panicked and guilt-ridden, definitely breaks Fiyero's heart.

"Hey.. It's okay, sweetie, I'm fine. Everything's okay, you did nothing wrong, I'm good, I'm happy," Fiyero insists, only breaking his verbal reassurances off as he leans down to pull Peter into a kiss, sweet and intent. The kind that grounds him - except this time it's not just the kiss.

Fiyero's feeling a million different emotions, many of them strong, but he has one clear purpose. To reassure him, to comfort him, to banish that guilt that Peter has far too much of. It's okay. Calm down. Everything is fine. It's okay. It's okay.
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[personal profile] winkieprince 2025-11-26 05:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Fiyero can feel Peter relaxing against him, and it's a relief. Fiyero is far too sexed up to quit now - although, that's just another kind of denial that would no doubt make it very intense when they picked back up later. But they both know, it needs to be fun. Which means they need to get rid of this guilt and worry first. Though, as it turns out, comforting Peter is very rewarding in its own way.

Fiyero wraps an arm around Peter's shoulder as he breaks the kiss, hugging him closer. His other hands has shifted to holding Peter's as he warms it. He whispers another quiet "It's okay.." into Peter's ear. Just holding each other.

Peter lifts his head and Fiyero does too, looking at him. There's no blame or annoyance or hurt in his eyes, just pure affection, with a lingering hint of arousal. (He's still very hard, no danger there.) Peter looks so sweet as he takes both of Fiyero's hands in his.

"I'm okay," Fiyero answers softly, sincerely. "I'm very okay, actually," he adds with a playful soft grin. "You absolutely should have picked me up, that was really hot and fun." He presses a quick kiss to Peter's cheek. "And if it was bad, I would tell you. I did tell you," he reminds Peter. "Which, if you want to give me another reward for that, I think I deserve it."

His tone is light, sweet, playful. Full of reassurance, but also happiness. The interruption hasn't ruined anything, just given a little time to breathe. He feels... grateful, to be able to be there for Peter like this. Grateful that everything is okay. Not just physically, but between them.
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[personal profile] winkieprince 2025-11-26 07:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Perhaps it helped Fiyero's own guilt that he wasn't interrupting in the middle of passion and pleasure. Their game is put on hold, sure, but Peter was about to do constriction, not in the middle of fucking him. As long as they can find their way back to the enjoyment, and Peter isn't panicking, it's not that bad.

"I know," Fiyero answers softly, leaning down to kiss Peter's forehead. If Peter's kisses are reference and worship, then Fiyero's kiss is a blessing, forgiveness, absolution. He hugs Peter warmly as Peter guides his arms around him.

Silently he thinks that Peter would only ever hurt him as much as Fiyero wants him to. Like the expected pain and ache of being tied - he wants that, and Peter will grant it, if it's safe, if it's careful and intentional. But he doesn't bring that up right now. They're not really playing with that right now anyway. Just restriction and teasing.

It's amazing just how quickly his arousal returns in force, the moment Peter starts touching his thighs. He's a little worried about Peter being okay, but... Being able to make up for things seems to reassure Peter anyway. It seems pointless to deny him with more fretting. However, Fiyero will be sure to shower him with returned affection.

He draws in a breath as he feels Peter's warm breath against his abdomen, and oh yes, he is definitely horny still. His eyes darken with excitement, cock suddenly aching with anticipation.

"Depends.." Fiyero answers honestly, voice suddenly deeper, more sensual. "Depends what you mean by behave. I don't think I can stop myself from touching you..." He runs a hand through Peter's hair affectionately. "But if you want to tie me up some other way, I can be a very good boy to help with that."

Truth is, Fiyero was rather enjoying being tied up, and doesn't really want to stop. He knows why, and that it's probably a bad idea to tie his wrists again, at least the same way. Even just for the reason that he might worry Peter. But given how many thoughts Fiyero has swarming around his head, he's pretty sure he has some usable ideas. And, well.. He might be taking some of the burden of decision making away from Peter. While still letting them having the kind of fun they planned for.
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[personal profile] winkieprince 2025-11-27 12:04 am (UTC)(link)
Fiyero can't imagine getting angry at Peter for something like this. Disappointed or frustrated, maybe. Maybe he would change his mind, but only temporarily. But angry? He would have to be in a really worked up emotional state to begin with. And even then, it's difficult to even wrap his head around reacting with anger when Peter is all concern and apology and guilt and care.

Though Fiyero is grateful that Peter wants to keep going. It would be a different kind of tease and denial, sure, and no doubt be more intense later. Relaxing with food and snuggles wouldn't be terrible, but Fiyero would rather have their fun first. And it doesn't seem like Peter is just pushing stuff down and pretending, just to please Fiyero.

Well, he might be pushing stuff down, but that doesn't mean he's faking his enjoyment. Because just like Peter never wants to hurt him, Fiyero never ever wants to make Peter do something he doesn't want to, something he doesn't enjoy.

Which doesn't seem to be a danger right now.

Fiyero does his best to keep his hips still as Peter explores with his mouth. It's manageable now, but once Peter wraps his lips around his cock? Highly unlikely. Also not necessarily a challenge he wants to try. It's one thing not being distracting, but letting Peter set the pace without meeting him halfway might be too much. And then Peter would have to hold down his hips, not leaving his hands free for other things.

"....Mmmhh," Fiyero answers thoughtfully, clearly turned on, running his hands affectionately through Peter's hair. "Based on previous experience, it seems unlikely," he says with an amused huff, smiling down at Peter.

He licks his lips, considering logistics for a moment. He'll need to be able to get his jeans off. They're tight enough that they can't really slip off very far, with his legs spread like this. Enough to free his erection, but just barely. But if Peter wants to open his jeans with his teeth, who is Fiyero to deny him? He doesn't know what other rewards Peter has in mind, and whether they require being tied to a chair, but Fiyero was enjoying the experience. He'd happily experiment some more with that.

"How about this," he suggests after a moment's consideration. "You untie my legs too, and I'll try my best to keep myself firmly planted on this chair for as long as I can... And when I fail--" He grins. "You can stop and we can figure exactly how to keep me still."

He intentionally includes himself in the process of restricting him to the chair. Fiyero gets to pick his poison, and Peter doesn't have to bear all the responsibility. And this way, Fiyero can have a challenge where it's explicitly alright to fail, where the punishment is also a reward.
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Peter is definitely getting the real Fiyero. He hides less and less, able to be more open, not just to Peter, but also to himself. It's not fixed in a day, but given how little time he's actually been here, it's like his heart has been dramatically cracked open.

He's still performative, but then so is Peter sometimes. During sex, they've used their performance to great effect. But after the moment of worry and reassurance, the intimacy and sweetness seems to stick. It feels natural to be honest, while keeping things light. And if it makes Peter laugh, even better.

"Probably not long enough for you to finish," Fiyero answers, keeping his honesty. There will be an interruption. That was kind of the point. Fiyero's willingly encouraging the teasing and edging.

The way Peter rubs at his ankles is sweet, Fiyero having no objection to it. It also makes it feel less empty, when the ropes are suddenly gone. Thankfully Peter is determined to make up for it, and Fiyero returns the smile. Like they need more drama! Fiyero is just happy to have Peter nuzzling against his crotch, building the need and pleasure inside him far too slowly.

Fiyero keeps stroking Peter's hair, though his hands start caressing whatever part of him he can easily reach. His shoulders, his arms, smoothing his palm across Peter's skin or gently dragging his nails. Just showing his appreciation by touching, without getting in the way or what Peter wants to do.

It definitely gets more difficult staying still once Peter finally opens his jeans and starts mouthing at his erection. It's intense, especially with the moaning that seems to shake through him, making him moan in return. Fiyero's thighs tense and relax, his abs flex as he leans forward, his feet shift against the floor - his hips stay where they are.

"Fuck, Peter..." he breathes, tugging lightly at his hair. "Yeah, I'm not-- You're definitely gonna have to tie me down soon, baby," he warns with a warm, breathy llaugh. He'll keep trying for as long as he can, but it's a losing battle. But hopefully he can hold back long enough for Peter to drive him a little insane - and for Fiyero to regret having moved.
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The sensations are amazing, but what really works Fiyero up is just how hungry Peter seems to be for him. The eagerness, the little noises, it's almost like Peter is more desperate to go further than Fiyero himself.

Almost. Because Fiyero is definitely getting very worked up. The flushed and excited look in Peter's face sends a thrill of arousal through him. "I'll try, for you, darling," he promises.

Once Peter's lips touch his cock directly, it's a lot more difficult. Fiyero's head drops back with a drawn-out, pleased moan. Until now, he's managed to occasionally relax, but how his hips seem almost locked in place by his own determination. Like a coiled spring ready to snap.

His legs twitch as Peter's tongue drags across his erection. Little jerks in the muscles, not lifting him off the seat nor moving him much at all, except for the sudden flexing of muscles. It's clear he's struggling to hold on, and it's only made more obvious by his expression. Needy, horny, a hint of desperation intermingled with pleasure. His mouth fully open with hot breath, closing as he lets out a whine.

He doesn't have much more restraint left in him. Not after the teasing he's already had, especially if you count at the sex shop. The only deciding factor is how much longer Peter is planning to go. Maybe he can hold out a minute, maybe two. Sooner or later, Peter's either going to stop and drive Fiyero mad that way, or he's going to push him that little bit more where his body fights him wins.

Either way, he'll probably suggest being tied up. At this point, while he might feel accomplished at holding back, it would feel like a disappointment to not get roped up again.

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